tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17198129.post114637031056225812..comments2023-11-05T05:09:36.903-07:00Comments on Mile High Ramblings: The Holy Trinity Part III -- What We've LearnedLunatic Fringehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13135477380181671438noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17198129.post-1147356626812057792006-05-11T08:10:00.000-06:002006-05-11T08:10:00.000-06:00Saying that a downtown arena will not attract tour...Saying that a downtown arena will not attract tourism is the worst argument I've ever you say about anything, ever. You can look across sports and see examples of what happens to areas after a new arena or stadium is put in. It's not purely the draw of the games (which 70% over 50 games even at the current Arco size is 595,000+ people spending an average of say $100 for food, cab fares, and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17198129.post-1147306370011087592006-05-10T18:12:00.000-06:002006-05-10T18:12:00.000-06:00Even if you were to tell me that 70% of the fans a...<I>Even if you were to tell me that 70% of the fans attending a Kings game on one of the, at most, 50 games hosted in Sacramento each season, I might not be able to see how money being spent in one part of the city is better than money being spent in another.</I><BR/><BR/>I meant to write, "were from out of town," between "season" and "I." Ridiculous. As in, "you may ridicule me."Roscoe Galthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16674586804043849420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17198129.post-1147306013786319212006-05-10T18:06:00.000-06:002006-05-10T18:06:00.000-06:00Sorry, Oz. I don't want you to think I meant a ta...Sorry, Oz. I don't want you to think I meant a tax could hurt. A tax <I>will</I> hurt. Maybe in only a small way, but it will hurt. <BR/><BR/>I'm thinking you might be overestimating the Kings as a tourist attraction. A downtown arena, in and of itself, will not create any more tourism in Sacramento. Even if you were to tell me that 70% of the fans attending a Kings game on one of the, at Roscoe Galthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16674586804043849420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17198129.post-1147270672671099342006-05-10T08:17:00.000-06:002006-05-10T08:17:00.000-06:00It's a good business decision to move to Vegas. A...It's a good business decision to move to Vegas. And though it seems ridiculous, they will not get enough support in Sac to build the arena because the general population is too stupid to recognize the benefits from such a small individual expenditure. I'll be mortified and heartbroken if they take my team away, but I wouldn't blame the Maloofs at all. And on that note, I no longer blame city Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17198129.post-1147269572116371102006-05-10T07:59:00.000-06:002006-05-10T07:59:00.000-06:00BH, you say that a smal tax could propell tourism ...BH, you say that a smal tax could propell tourism away from the city right? On that same line of thinkng, won't a downtown arena create an influx of tourism? Much more so than the drop in revenues?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17198129.post-1147130394043018392006-05-08T17:19:00.000-06:002006-05-08T17:19:00.000-06:00The fundamental issue is the question of who shoul...The fundamental issue is the question of who should pay for a new arena. It's the same debate that plays out everytime a pro franchise decides it's time for a new arena. I agree with you BH. The Maloofs hold the power with regards to the team. That being said, the residents and city council of Sac hold the power regarding whether or not they are going to give the Maloofs money. <BR/><BR/>Here's Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17198129.post-1147117927544579282006-05-08T13:52:00.000-06:002006-05-08T13:52:00.000-06:00The Maloofs can afford to play hardball because th...The Maloofs can afford to play hardball because they have the power. They'll still be the Maloofs (rich, pulling lots of bush, own their own casino) if they move the team. They will be hated in sac but nowhere else.<BR/><BR/>Sacramento without the kings will be Stockton. No offense to my Stockton homies, but that place is a shithole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17198129.post-1147114243403983542006-05-08T12:50:00.000-06:002006-05-08T12:50:00.000-06:00And why don't you have a picture up anymore?And why don't you have a picture up anymore?Roscoe Galthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16674586804043849420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17198129.post-1147114194370491312006-05-08T12:49:00.000-06:002006-05-08T12:49:00.000-06:00In short, it's a false sense of power.If you'll re...<I>In short, it's a false sense of power.</I><BR/><BR/>If you'll recall, my objection was to the idea that Kings fans are trying to "strong-arm" the Maloofs. You agree though that the people of Sacramento have some "false sense" of power, but no <I>real</I> power. I'm glad we have reached this point. <BR/><BR/>I'm not sure the Sacramento voter objects solely to the idea of a tax increase. It Roscoe Galthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16674586804043849420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17198129.post-1147111890559106412006-05-08T12:11:00.000-06:002006-05-08T12:11:00.000-06:00vckhttp://law.marquette.edu/s3/site/images/sports/...vckhttp://law.marquette.edu/s3/site/images/sports/referenda.pdf<BR/><BR/>Directed towards Anonymous: The American Airlines Arena (Mavs home) was funded by the public by a 5% tax increase on rental cars and a 2% tax on hotel rooms. To the best of my knowledge, most of the residents of Dallas are widely unafected by this type of tax structure. The irony is that most people feel that THEIR tax moneyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17198129.post-1147110825418554562006-05-08T11:53:00.000-06:002006-05-08T11:53:00.000-06:00You've supported my point quite well. The Maloofs...You've supported my point quite well. The Maloofs know there are die-hard Kings fans out there saying exactly what you've written. "The Kings are gone if we don't vote for a tax increase and new arena. Shit. If we say no, all we'll have is the River Cats." It's hard to say the citizens of Sacramento are using "strong-arm" tactics, when their only real action is to turn down a tax increase. Roscoe Galthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16674586804043849420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17198129.post-1147109994225421982006-05-08T11:39:00.000-06:002006-05-08T11:39:00.000-06:002 words sondog - Mark CubanHe believed in his team...2 words sondog - Mark Cuban<BR/><BR/>He believed in his team and sunk millions into the area HIMSELF. I'm not paying for the new arena just so the Maloofs have more cash to buy hooker boots for their game dates. I may love me some Kings, but my tax dollars should probably go toward warding of impending floods, not additional arena box seating that I'll never be able to afford anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17198129.post-1147108073820254632006-05-08T11:07:00.000-06:002006-05-08T11:07:00.000-06:00The people of Sac and the city council are playing...The people of Sac and the city council are playing a game that they will lose. The majority of basketball arenas are publicly funded (100% public funds), and the Maloof's have offered to even pick up part of the tab on the arena. In my mind, they're being reasonable, but the people of Sac are not. They don't have to agree with the principle of making the Maloofs more money, as long as they Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17198129.post-1147107135421659832006-05-08T10:52:00.000-06:002006-05-08T10:52:00.000-06:00Seriously, do the people of Sacramento think they ...<I>Seriously, do the people of Sacramento think they can strong-arm the Maloofs into keeping the team in town simply by not helping to replace Arco? Really? They believe this? It's been discussed here several times, but the Kings' move to Vegas becomes much more of a reality by the minute.</I><BR/><BR/>Really, what the Maloofs are trying to do is the definition of strong-arm tactics. They ask Roscoe Galthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16674586804043849420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17198129.post-1147101815463977222006-05-08T09:23:00.000-06:002006-05-08T09:23:00.000-06:00I'm too sure what to do about Bonzi now too. They...I'm too sure what to do about Bonzi now too. They already have everyone else under long term contacts which means they will be stuck with pretty much the same team for the next two-three years I can't believe Kenny Thomas is signed for four more years. That sucks. <BR/><BR/>I think they'll sign bonzi and go with the exact same team next year. Not much else they can do. No one is really Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com