Monday, January 16, 2006

More from Porter

posted by BH

If man were able to make a machine that spouted out nothing but beautiful, sweet sounding poetry, it's lone goal in life would become finding Joey Porter and cutting out his tongue. That would be poetic.

"I felt they were cheating us. When the interception happened, everybody in the world knew that was an interception. Don't cheat us that bad. When they did that, they really want Peyton Manning and these guys to win the Super Bowl. They are just going to straight take it for them. I felt that they were like 'We don't even care if you know we're cheating. We're cheating for them.' "
Damn dude, I try to make up quotes for people all the time, but I at least try to make them funny. You're just coming across as belligerent and angry. And you just won! So really, you had such confidence in your defensive abilities as a team, that when Indy retained possession at something like their own 45 and the score was 21-10, you thought the officials , at that point, had the ability to win the game for Indy?

"The way the refs were going, I wouldn't have trusted them in overtime," Porter told the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. "If we hadn't won, they would have cheated us in overtime."
It really isn't clear whether he said these things immediately after the game or today, but either way, it's crazy for someone on the winning team to go on and on about.

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

I'm not going to support the fact that Porter isn't a jackass but this is a case where I'll defend his comments. The NFL can never admit to errors just like many stubborn people I deal with everyday. It's nice for someone to come directly out and nail their bigwig asses. No, he wasn't very poetic about it but never the less he maned up and said what needed to be said. I was rooting for Indy but I'm so fucking tired of the lesser of two teams winning cause of horrible miscalls. Anyone who calls the Patriots a dynasty is a fuckhead. Remember Tom Brady's fumble that was ruled a pass? If that horrible call had not occured either the Raiders or Rams would have one the superbowl. The words Patriots and Dynasty would never be in the same sentence. So BH, don't bitch about his bitching. You want to bitch about something, why don't you bitch about "Lost" not being on TV 7 days a week or some shit.

DMo

sondog said...

Has there ever been a time in professional sports where the officials have been so bad? I mean, across the board, officiating in football, baseball and basketball is wildly inconsistent. We need to have a discussion on this. Ever since the 2002 Western Conference Finals between the Lakers and Kings, I haven't trusted officials. The NFL admitted a mistake on the call yesterday, DMo, but you're right in that horrible calls more often than not determine the outcome of many games.

Regarding Porter, the guy just needs to shut the hell up. I understand what he's trying to say, but he's taking it a little too far.

bh said...

While I am bothered that Lost doesn't yet have its own dedicated channel, I recognize that it's a little too early for that.

As for Porter, I still think he needs to shut the hell up. After the game he's talking about a miscall rather than the win? That's crazy. I agree that officiating is bad but despite popular opinion, I think the NFL should have shut up about the miscall. Guys are fucking up calls all over the place due to the constant second guessing and over analyzing that comes with replay after replay, and in this case and a few others, being hung out to dry by their employers. They become hesitant, trying to make the perfect call rather than trying to call what they see.

Anonymous said...

No, no, no! Shit that is super close should go the way of the game without picking it apart a million times. But when something is obvious and it is being overturned, something needs to be said. Everyone is always hush, hush about it. Why? Are sports the fucking gubment? 20 Milliion people watch Mike Bibby take a bloody nose from Mamba's elbow on the final play of a game 7 and he's called for the foul. What!! First off it's fucking joke to begin with. Then not a single person has enough foresking to stand up and say hey that was a shitty call. Not Bibby, not his coach, not the NBA.. NOBODY!!! Even reporters are so damn affraid of Stern and the NBA they won't say shit. The NBA didn't even have to defend their horrible call and that's wrong. So again, Porter is a shmuck, he proved that before last weeks game. Then again he and the D took care of Indy at home. We all know boxing is corrupt, why couldn't the major sports be corrupt at times as well?

DMo said...

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sondog said...

I have never had less faith in officiating than I do these days. Basketball officials are probably the worst, as they are the most inconsistent officials in all of sports. The difference between an East Coast game and a West Coast game is astounding. In the East, you can practically mug a guy on the court and get away with it. In the West, if you sneeze on a guy, there's a chance it is a flagrant foul. The Bibby call in the playoffs was perhaps the worst call I've seen in my life. The Kings were flat-out fucked by the officials in that game. Speaking of which, DMo -- Kings vs. Lakers on Thursday night. You, me, Na and some whiskey at my place?

In football, officials seem to be guided by the fans. The home team ALWAYS gets the better calls. It's like the sun rising and setting... we just need to accept it, I guess. Denver and Seattle both have enormous advantages this weekend just from the calls they will get from being at home.

That being said, I fully expect the Super Bowl to be between Denver and Carolina.

bh said...

DMo, I had a good response for your argument, until I got to

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which now leaves me responsless and gasping for air. I am impressed that I got three no's and an exclamation point.

Seriously, I don't think we can compare the officiating in the NFL to that of the NBA. NFL officials at least make an attempt to uphold the rules, whereas in the NBA I have seen three traveling calls in my life. Game 6 a few years ago between the Lakers and the Kings convinced me that my fears that NBA games are decided before the game are accurate. It's more WWE than sport. NBA official are at least good at the basketball equivalent of stopping an arm before it hits the mat on a three count, while NFL officials may simply be less competent. And I don't buy the idea that officials "ALWAYS" reward the home team with better calls. I've watched a lot of football in my day, and it's not something that I've noticed, thus I'm led to believe there's not a noticeable difference.

sondog said...

I have to disagree with you BH. When Dallas was dominant, they received favorable calls at home. When San Fran was dominant, they received favorable calls at home. New England receives favorable calls at home. When Green Bay was in their prime, they received favorable calls at home. I guess I should have included that their bias to good home teams (especially in the playoffs) rather than just home teams. Home field advantage seems to go beyond just playing in front of your home fans. More so than anything, it's the inconsistency in all sports officiating that drives me nuts.

bh said...

Do you think NFL officials purposely give better calls to home teams? Or are they simply a product of the environment?

DMo said...

I'm always down for a whiskey but good luck with Na. He'll be skiing in the moonlight or some shit. I disagree that Carolina will win. I can't believe that they can have 4 good wins in a row. They have been too spiradic(probably mispelt) over the last 3 years for me to trust their ability. I will be rooting for them however.
Yes, officials do tend to favor home teams. Remember the umpire scene in the "The Naked Gun". Also, I've seen a story on the immaculate reception where the officials asked how many police they could have if they called it incomplete and decided to give a touchdown to maintain their safety. Pussies.

bh said...

I'm taking Denver and Seattle, sort of because I like them and it will be more exciting than Carolina/Pittsburgh, but also because I want to hear hack after hack talk about how no one will care about a Denver/Seattle Super Bowl.

bh said...

Yes, officials do tend to favor home teams. Remember the umpire scene in the "The Naked Gun".

Remember For Love of the Game when Kevin Costner threw a perfect game in his last start? That must mean old righties will always throw a perfect game in their last start. I'm still not buying the home team argument. That Sondog recognized and cited "dominant" or "good" teams in order to make his point should sort of defuse the idea that home teams get calls simply because they are home teams. It's probably more likely that calls go in their direction because they are good teams. I do believe officials in every sport influence the game, as I have stated with the NBA,and to a lesser extent, in the NFL and MLB, but I do not think it's as simple as a team being at home. It has more to do with ratings and potential revenue. I agree that there are instances in which the home environment has influenced calls, yet I don't think it's part of an established pattern.

sondog said...

"It's probably more likely that calls go in their direction because they are good teams...I do believe officials in every sport influence the game...It has more to do with ratings and potential revenue. I agree that there are instances in which the home environment has influenced calls, yet I don't think it's part of an established pattern."

I agree, like I said earlier, that it's not as simple as just being a home team. I was referring more to the playoffs. If Pittsburgh were to play San Francisco in SF during the regular season, no doubt Pittsburgh would get the benefit of the calls. I agree with that. But the, "It's probably more likely that calls go in their direction because they are good teams" reasoning is in and of itself part of the established pattern that drives me nuts. Why does a team that is perceived as a "good team" get the benefit of the calls? It's similar to baseball how a strike zone for Greg Maddux regularly is larger than a strike zone for a rookie no-name. Inconsistency, I'll say again, is my biggest gripe with officials in all sports.

bh said...

But the, "It's probably more likely that calls go in their direction because they are good teams" reasoning is in and of itself part of the established pattern that drives me nuts.

I think you misunderstood. While I agree that there tends to some help for good teams, I think good teams have an ability to make their own good calls, if you know what I mean. They put themselves in a position in which they will benefit.

sondog said...

"I think good teams have an ability to make their own good calls, if you know what I mean. They put themselves in a position in which they will benefit."

Stop doing that. It's making me want kick your ass. I can see what I wrote.

I don't understand what you mean in "putting themselves in a position." Seriously, I don't.

DMo said...

Christ!! We all comprehend one another! Yes, inconsistency is the shits. If a letter high fastball is a strike to a rookie then a belt high fastball to Barry Bonds should be a strike as well. None of the "he didn't swing so it must be a ball" bullshit.

bh said...

Stop doing that. It's making me want kick your ass. I can see what I wrote.

I don't understand what you mean in "putting themselves in a position." Seriously, I don't.


How do you like that?

What I mean is, some teams, because they are so well prepared and so well coached or so talented, are able to create their own calls, like holding or pass interference or that kind of stuff.

DMo said...

Yes, I know. I understood the first time. Son, did you get that?

SonDog said...

I added my picture this time just for good measure.

Got it. Understood and agreed. So, when will this actually happen for the Niners again? Sounds like a comment topic for the Norv Turner post

BH, I'll give you a headstart on the reply:

"I added my picture this time just for good measure."

bh said...

I added my picture this time just for good measure.

Nice hat.

sondog said...

I could not not post this... from Bill Simmons' article today, who, granted, is a totally bias Patriots fan. Regardless, I think it is fitting and somewhat echoes my thoughts:

The TiVo Award for Best Three-Second Delay in Real Life:
To the back judge who whistled Asante Samuel for pass interference, the worst anti-Patriots call since Ben Dreith saved Oakland's season by whistling Ray "Sugar Bear" Hamilton for an unconscionable roughing the passer penalty in the 1976 playoffs. Not to break out a batch of sour grapes, but ...



1. If anything, that penalty should have been called on Ashley Lelie, who would have needed Freddie Krueger's arms to catch that ball, whether he was "impeded with" or not. But ever since Dungy and Bill Polian pulled their hissy fit after the 2004 AFC Championship and pushed the competition committee to change the pass defense rules to help out their quarterback, referees have adopted the "if there's even a modicum of contact and it seems like the receiver has a 10 percent chance of making the catch, throw the flag to be safe" policy. Well, you know what's going to happen? Eventually, this is just going to become some team's offense -- run the ball, kill some clock, and lob 15 to 20 passes per game. Figure you get lucky and catch two, get another four to five pass interferences, and maybe give up two interceptions (which would be like punts). That's still worth about 250 extra yards of offense per game. If you're the Bills with J.P. Losman, would you rather run the West Coast offense or the "Screw it, maybe we can draw some flags" offense?



2. The flag was thrown three seconds after the ball bounced off the grass. Put it this way: If you were making a football movie, and you wanted a scene in which the crooked refs were making every call for the home team, the back judge wouldn't wait that long to throw a late flag because it would seem too unrealistic. I mean, this wouldn't have even happened in "Remember the Titans."



3. That was the sideline judge's call since he was right there and all, so having the back judge intervene was the equivalent of an NBA referee standing at midcourt, then running 50 feet to overturn an out-of-bounds call under the basket. If that's not bad enough, the sideline judge tried to talk the back judge out of the flag, since he had a better angle and all, but the back judge wouldn't be denied.



4. The Pats were leading, 3-0, with under 2 minutes to play in the first half. By throwing this flag, the back judge was making a conscious decision to completely alter the course of the game. He waited three seconds and did it anyway. Also, the next day, a similar situation happened when Manning tried to hit Reggie Wayne in the end zone two plays before Vanderjagt's final shank, right down to Pittsburgh's defensive back running stride for stride and Wayne pushing off. No flag. And yes, I'm getting angry.



Again, the Patriots deserved to lose. They were terrible. But it's tough enough to win against a good home team without the officials handing them seven free points. If that was the only bad officiating moment of the weekend, it would be one thing -- obviously the reversal of the Troy Polamalu interception was 10 times more damaging and reprehensible -- but we're reaching the point where they need to run a disclaimer before every game:



"We'd like to apologize in advance for the horrible officiating. We swear, these games aren't fixed, it just looks that way. We're just too cheap to make officiating a real priority or hire anyone who's under 40 years old and might still have his reflexes and eyesight. Even instant replay isn't helping -- it just makes these guys look three times more incompetent when they're overruling calls that never should have been made in the first place. These guys are boobs. We're sorry. Anyway, enjoy the game!"
-- Sincerely, the NFL